Question 11132, 11079 & 11136

[Hasitha]

Hello,

As per the explanation in question 11079, speed pedlecs = mopeds.
1) Can you please specify is it moped class A or class B?

In question 11132, bicycle sign with pedlec (P) sign marked together. The answer is "Both bicycles and speed pedlecs are allowed".
But is question 11136 says pedlec (P) sign only for pedlecs and not for mopeds.

Can you please clarify the true meaning of pedlec (P) sign.
Is it apply for mopeds?

[Inazuma]

As per the explanation in question 11079, speed pedlecs = mopeds.
1) Can you please specify is it moped class A or class B?

It's neither

The speed-pedelec is a class of its own: P

Can you please clarify the true meaning of pedlec (P) sign.
Is it apply for mopeds?

If the additional sign has a moped icon with P, it means the sign, or the exception to it, applies to speed-pedelecs

Other mopeds may be allowed or banned because of other rules / signs


The allowed combinations of A, B, P is very much a political choice
Resulting in a huge number of different M.. signs with only those allowed combinations
Rather than generally stating A, B, P can be added to a few standard signs, to allow / ban that class of moped
Regulations, and exceptions to those regulations, above simplicity ...

See 65.2 below
https://wegcode.be/wetteksten/secties/k ... art65#65.2

[Hasitha]

As per your explanation,
1) There is no relationship between Pedelec (P) and mopeds (A,B) signs
2) Both Pedelecs and speed pedelecs represent by same moped sign with letter P

Can you please let me know above statements are correct? or not?

If above are correct, i believe the answer of question 11079 should be amended. It mentioned that "mopeds = speed pedelecs"

[Inazuma]

As per your explanation,
1) There is no relationship between Pedelec (P) and mopeds (A,B) signs

Not really, you have to look at the signs to see who is allowed or banned ...

If meant as an exception to a one-way street, it's usually only bicycles and sometimes moped P as well

Motorized mopeds A, B are generally not allowed in the "wrong" direction on a one-way street
They have an engine so they don't have to pedal when they need to drive a longer distance to avoid the one-way street


A "ban" on cycle paths often applies to class B in built-up areas: then they need to use the roadway.
This ban is sometimes also applied to speed-pedelecs, class P, as these are just as fast as a moped B , and may also be a fast hazard to regular cyclists.

2) Both Pedelecs and speed pedelecs represent by same moped sign with letter P

If you mean pedelec as a bicycle with motor assist up to 25 km/h when pedalling,
that is by definition regarded as a regular bicycle, not a moped ...

Speed-pedelec has motor assist up to 45 km/h, and is a moped class P

So, no